Episode 6
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00:00 Speaker: In this episode, we explore the inspiring story of Tara, a dedicated birth doula, childbirth educator, lactation consultant, and birth trauma resolution practitioner who traded the bright lights of New York City for the tranquil Irish countryside. Living in Galway for over 20 years, Tara's journey is a testament to how moving abroad can deepen our understanding of birth, mental health, and holistic support systems.
00:24 Speaker: With her rich background in publishing, women's studies, and English literature, Tara has spent more than a decade helping new parents find the support, information, and confidence they need to navigate pregnancy and parenthood with calm and clarity. Stay tuned for an inspiring episode. Ever wonder what it's really like to thrive abroad and not just survive?
00:45 Speaker: Welcome to the Galway Gal, where stories, culture, and adventure collide. I'm Lauren, your host and your no BS guide to life, travel, and culture shock. With a Galway twist, from unfiltered stories to offbeat adventures, we're diving into conversations that celebrate the charm, wit, and the heart of life in Ireland and beyond. Whether you're gearing up for your first big move or just daydreaming about life on the other side of the world, you've come to the right place.
01:15 Speaker: Let's rewrite the rules and redefine what home really means. Thank you so much for being here today, Tara. I really appreciate you coming. I think before I kind of, I guess let you kind of get into what you do and introduce yourself, I'll probably just give everyone a background on maybe how we met. Okay.
01:40 Speaker: So we met basically, I'd say like early 2023, I think is around the time I reached out to you. I was actually listening to a doula. She was an herbalist, actually. I found her through like buying her herbal teas, but she was also a doula. And she was so adamant about how every woman who got pregnant should have a doula.
02:03 Speaker: She was like preaching. She was like, you know, get a doula. Like, it's worth it. And I was just like, what is this? Like, what is a doula? And like, why is she so like, why is she pushing it? But she was very, very like, I don't know, adamant about it. So I started looking up doulas in Ireland. And, you know, I think, you know, trying to find.
02:28 Speaker: Someone to support the journey is what I kind of found of why she said, you know, every woman should have a doula. You know, I guess with birth, there's always lots of like fears, especially for like new parents, expecting parents. And also, I guess it's sort of like trauma is just, you know, around like, you know, the way.
02:49 Speaker: Sometimes, I guess, women feel like, you know, they're hurt or taken care of in the hospitals and things like that. So, you know, having that support is definitely, I would say, you know, very beneficial to not only, I say, the mother, but to, like, the partner as well and the family. So, yeah, going back to how I found you, it was actually in 2021, I had a miscarriage. I was 23 weeks.
03:19 Speaker: You know, I think by the time interventions were kind of going to be made, it was too late at that time. So when I did have a miscarriage, I did classify it as a miscarriage instead of a stillbirth. I was 23 weeks. So I knew the next time that I got pregnant, like I wanted to just have all the help I could get. And in 2023, when I got pregnant again with Rian, I felt...
03:44 Speaker: I felt finding a doula was definitely going to help in that journey. And I think it was just like divine timing of like how I found you, especially, you know, you being American also. I think, you know, that that was really comfortable for me because, you know, I was in Ireland. I didn't have my family here. I just had my husband's family. You know, it was a different sort of, you know, medical system or health care system than, you know, what I would.
04:10 Speaker: know in the states and so having someone who obviously was you know american as well and in doing this work you know that brought me to you um was very comforting and i think you were you know you were just like the perfect person for me out of all the people i was looking through so um yeah just um that backstory with my own birth trauma
04:34 Speaker: and you know having that miscarriage and just feeling you know trying to fulfill a void now right by trying to step in to find these interventions which was you know obviously the medical team had to help as well but just having my own comforts I felt like having a doula was one of them and everyone thought like why do you need a doula like you're crazy but yeah
04:56 Speaker: I mean, I don't think I would have been able to actually go through that pregnancy without a doula. So, yeah, it was. And it's so funny because Paul would always think like I'm just always into all these like cracks and stuff, like just crazy stuff. And he was very like when I saw that he was really like loved how you took care of us and saw the work you did and knew how important it was. I think it was great to help him also understand and come to this.
05:26 Speaker: kind of like newfound, I guess just kind of, you know, just newfound knowledge of information of like how some things that, you know, we traditionally know. and to things that, you know, we kind of find out later in life, you know, they can kind of, you know, like help us move forward in the journey. So I guess I'll let you go in and kind of, you know, tell everyone what you do and what exactly a doula is. Yeah. Thank you. That's just, I love that you telling that story. And I think it just highlights also how people come to.
06:01 Speaker: getting a doula in different ways and are looking for different things and connect to the support in different ways so I remember yeah I remember Paul saying something about like his coaching would be his um you know area and he was saying it was kind of like you know pregnancy and and birth coach in a way you know so um like a doula is somebody that comes in at a particular time like you connect with in a in in a certain way so we connected on on the the american side of things and um and i had had a baby in in the states and then had two children here so really understood navigating from that side of things as well and finding
06:42 Speaker: your own finding finding the supports and the carers that you need the doula is somebody who is a lay person who's like offering it's a non-medical role and is there as a companion and a guide as a coach if you like along the along pregnancy birth and postpartum so for labor and birth and postpartum as well and then it's somebody who
07:12 Speaker: is trained as a professional to understand the needs of pregnant people and new families. So there's different types to do the training and there's actually all sorts of different doulas nowadays too. So while my area is in birth doula, I used to do some postpartum doula work too.
07:33 Speaker: But I've moved to just doing the birth doula work. So that's meeting somebody in pregnancy, getting to know them, getting to know their values and preferences, getting to know, I guess, what they need. Usually people that come and get in touch, they've already kind of... seen me and seen what I'm about and kind of you know have a sense that I could work for them so but it is about interviewing loads of doulas and finding like that right fit I don't know did you talk to loads of doulas when you were I did yeah I definitely reached out to a few of them I think it is kind of like you know um I don't want to say like you know
08:09 Speaker: dating someone and just starting a relationship because it is trying to find someone as the right fit for you. And, um, you know, just also for your needs and things like that. And, and I, and I, again, like I just felt connected to you more because again, like you're an American and, and just a lot of your birth practices, just, you know, kind of veering more towards like the natural side of things. Um, and I think that really spoke to me. Um, I would say, you know, just going back to, you know, finding a doula and the supports that you offer.
08:38 Speaker: I think when you go into the healthcare system, and I think that's kind of what kind of stuck to me, is just that sometimes you just need someone to be that voice for you or that support for you when maybe, I don't know, I know I had a birth plan. And sometimes some people, it's like you want your...
08:58 Speaker: You have these things you want. Sometimes not everything goes to plan, but you still kind of have someone there to kind of, for things that can go to plan, kind of make sure those things are provided as much as they can be. And I think that is also a really big help because, again, if you're just going in blindly, you're not really sure. I mean, you can read all the books, but, again, everyone's...
09:21 Speaker: you know, experience is going to be different. It is nice to have that person there to kind of support you and check on you, and especially if you're, say, getting induced or something, and you might not be like, you know, your mind is in millions of places. So I think that definitely also helps, you know, again, not only the mother, but the partner as well. Yeah, so the partner can be the best for you. Yes, exactly.
09:49 Speaker: without the stresses of wondering well is this the way things should be happening or you know just or what tools can I bring to it what like skills can I bring so the doula can help the partner as well and that that but like like that say you mentioned like with an induction there's so many decisions to be made along the way so that's one of the like key things is
10:13 Speaker: that I found actually was really helpful for me when I had continuity of a carer and I found that somebody there to hold that space to go this is like this might feel like a really tough decision you know anywhere it's like maybe something isn't going according to plan something that you've prepared for and that maybe it's yeah it's taken a different path and then it's just having that
10:39 Speaker: opportunity to pause and reflect and go okay well what's the information here um is this evidence-based what are the questions that i can ask from from my care provider and just having that opportunity to have the chat to have somebody who's a sounding board who's been there i suppose yes it's been around the block yeah and might know who um would be the best
11:02 Speaker: caregiver in a particular situation or who to ask or who to ask for a second opinion or what other supports and then also I guess one of the things that I was thinking about in terms of what I do because it's funny because every journey is so different like and you like that's my favorite part about being a doula is that every single birth every single relationship every you know it's always going different you know you never it's not a standard day in the office ever.
11:28 Speaker: But what I was thinking, like, what was that that I offered as a theme? And what it is, I think, is that there's so much talk of risk. in our maternity system and when as soon as somebody um presents to their gp like it's about getting in you know the support which care pathway and what kind of risk factors that a person has and there's so much focus on that it's like well what about the focus on all the strengths
12:00 Speaker: And even within those risk profiles, okay, well, what are you bringing to it? Let's keep the woman, let's keep the pregnant person center here. I love that you said that because that's honestly a part of the positive birth experience. And I think, especially when there are risks involved, especially when you're considered high risk, like I was considered high risk, you're just getting doom and gloom every time you go in there. We got to do this. We got to make sure. We got to monitor you. And it's just like,
12:29 Speaker: you know kind of enough already like you know like i think a lot of things obviously you were a part of a big support but my faith was also a big support you know i had to rely on a lot of scripture a lot of rely on a lot of prayer and you know my family as well i'm just coming from that background i was just like tuning them out you know like learning to tune it out you know they have their opinions and I have my opinion and I stood firm on a lot of my beliefs you know as much as I could and you know a lot of things that I wanted but yeah just I think having the mother as the center and keeping, I think, those ideals that you said, what are the positive things or the things that, you know, we can focus on, really can change the trajectory of how the pregnancy goes. Yeah, yeah. And in the labor experience, so there's actually...
13:22 Speaker: some research around doulas in the birth space, not so much in the postpartum or other aspects, but in the birth space, having continuity of care of a doula in labor and birth does lead to higher satisfactions with the experience, better outcomes for mother and baby. So that's, you know, the satisfaction is really important. It's like whatever kind of birth that is, that...
13:49 Speaker: that if the woman feels like she's at the center of decision-making of what, you know, the process, then the satisfaction rates are higher. So I really focus on that. There's a real over-medicalization within our services, and I think just keeping the woman, rather than the machines, keeping the woman and the baby and the family at the center is really important, yeah.
14:16 Speaker: No, that really is important. I'm really glad you said that. A lot of your work, too, involves a lot of mindfulness. I know hypnobirthing was kind of like a thing, but even just listening to some of the tracks, like kind of affirmations and things like that. Do you want to speak about that a bit? Yeah, I guess.
14:38 Speaker: I guess that's been sort of a journey of discovery, like everything in the work, like I got into this work from by becoming a parent myself and the things I suppose, you know, yoga was something in the meditation practices and yoga was something that I knew personally that worked for me. But what I found just working with lots of families over the years as an anti-natal educator and as a doula and also as a lactation consultant, just that in order to
15:08 Speaker: bring full capacity of the person like to be present, I suppose, to diffuse the stress of new experiences. And then, you know, and major life transitions, you know, there's going to be a lot of stress involved. And we want to bring up the oxytocin, we want to bring up the love hormone connection, the calm and connection. And that's...
15:33 Speaker: the space where somebody feels calm and relaxed, that's the space where they can make the right decisions for them, where they can hear themselves, where they can hear their babies, where they can make those decisions that are right for them. I love that you keep bringing up that. you know, making the right decisions. Decision-making is just, I guess, is just so vital. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because, you know, you're just, you know, you obviously want to do what's right for the baby, you want to do what's right for the mother, you want to do what's right for yourself. And, you know, that decision-making process, like, it can weigh a lot on you with a lot of things you have to decide. Yeah, yeah. You know, going through.
16:15 Speaker: you know, just the birthing process, you know, in general. So, you know, I'm glad you said that. And will I share the acronym? Oh, yeah. So if anybody's listening to this and has done anything in the birth world, they probably have heard this acronym before, but it's called BRAIN. And it's one that actually I've shared with friends outside of the birth space. And they've, you know, when they're making big decisions in their life and they found that this was really useful. So it's something that I bring to the antenatal classes.
16:52 Speaker: as well, and I learned it through training to be an antenatal educator with Quidju. It's called BRAIN, and it's what are, so if there's something, a decision that needs to be made, it's questions that you can ask. You know, you can ask them of your care provider. You can ask them and look them up and find evidence-based resources and things like that that your doula can point you to. But the, so the acronym is BRAIN. It's what are the benefits for me and my baby? What are the...
17:21 Speaker: risks or ramifications for me and my baby what are the alternatives and that bra alone just opens up a world of possibility really when it looked like it was a narrow path and then it's taken the time to go okay sitting with that information
17:41 Speaker: the the benefits the risks and the the alternatives uh what is my instinct saying and that could be an opportunity to have a phone call with somebody that you love have a call with somebody that's supporting you maybe it's your doula um and just sitting with that and maybe meditating on it maybe doing a yoga nidra maybe you know all these um tools that we have at or talking to your partner um and then
18:08 Speaker: asking okay well what if we do nothing for now uh and that also that also opens up like okay well is if you're asking that question of a care provider it's like okay well it's asking for individualized care it's asking for say like look at me look at my baby are we healthy and well if we are is there any harm in waiting for now i love that yeah and then you can add an s for a smile
18:36 Speaker: brains oh that's so good i remember you sharing that with me and i think that is very um important especially when you're talking about instinct because i think a lot of a lot of a lot of it is instinct too yeah you know like obviously you know doctors have their opinions and their recommendations but a lot of a lot of it is instinct because you know your body you know how you feel
19:00 Speaker: I don't know, maybe it's just a primal kind of thing, you know, that we have. But you kind of have to, you know, use your judgments. I know when I was, you know, pregnant with Rin, you know, the doctor was very adamant that he only needed 37 weeks. Like, that was a full-term baby. And I was like, I want him to stay as long as he can until he's ready to go.
19:23 Speaker: You know, I pushed past 37 weeks. I got to like almost 39. But it was, again, like me just trying to kind of, you know, I felt, you know, that was the right thing to do. And I'm kind of glad, you know, I did kind of push for what I want because ultimately I knew I had to just trust myself. I don't know. It's just something that's.
19:47 Speaker: I guess that instinct that you talked about. Yeah, for sure. I mean, you'll have a lifetime of experience with yourself. Yeah, exactly. You really know. And you know, and you know, and you're growing this baby, you know? So those values and preferences that your instinct is guiding you towards, they need to remain central. And actually, evidence-based care asks for that. It's like, yes, you have the expertise.
20:17 Speaker: of your care provider, and you have evidence-based information. But then as a third leg and a three-legged stool, you need the values and preferences of the person at the center of the care. Exactly. So without that, and we miss that so often, the way the system's just very, very busy. Yes. But when you get to know your care provider. So in one way, with your care, you did get to know your care provider. So that was huge. No, but that did make a difference. It did. And I think that's why they probably trusted me a little bit too.
20:50 Speaker: Because they got to know you. Yes, exactly. And that is very important. I just want to go back to kind of like now, you know, if someone's on this journey, you know, they probably need that support. I guess what advice would you give them or where can they actually start to, you know, look for a doula? I guess the first thing is like just finding out about options and birth options.
21:14 Speaker: place of birth and you know finding the care provider that's right for you um and the first step is usually as gps um so i would say like even reaching out um to some of the um the the community organizations like and and talking to other parents like so there's quid you and la lash league and they have they have breastfeeding groups they also have like quid you has um
21:39 Speaker: um antenatal groups as well like a bumps and babes group and things like that but just finding opportunities to talk to other parents um and i know that can be hard when working full-time and everything like that but uh so like talking to doulas like get just even getting some um some uh doula exploratory calls booked in because a lot of the doulas will will offer that it's like you know a half an hour a phone call a zoom call or maybe a couple
22:04 Speaker: if they live close to you, and just ask those questions to find out about what your options are, and then you find out about doula support as well. I would say go into doula.ie. The Doula Association of Ireland is the organization for doulas, a national organization, and you'll find doulas all over Ireland. Then you can also do a social media search. I don't know. I'm not great on social media, but I know you can do a search.
22:34 Speaker: for do list that way i did do it that way as well that was i don't know i just use social media as a search engine now yeah yeah yeah because also i think with the social media um as well and that's just kind of going back to finding someone with your ideals yeah you know i did find a few people at the time who were like again they were very i don't know
22:56 Speaker: um i'd say liberal in their approach you know i guess that's the right way to put it um and and it just kind of like again that spoke to me and like a lot of my views and how i feel about a lot of issues so again it's just that connection and you know seeing again if that kind of relationship is right for you yeah exactly exactly and some people like so so doula is like just going back to kind of the definition of like it's it's a a a non-judgmental but um emotional physical and informational support so any like for some people the informational side is like
23:35 Speaker: you know, the crux of it. But then also have an opportunity to discuss that information with somebody that you know will hold the space for you. And like that is then offering that emotional support as well. But the physical thing, getting the cups of water, getting the cups of tea. And so those are all things. But like different things will be important to different people. So I know like I'm a lactation consultant too. So like sometimes people will want me there.
24:04 Speaker: because I'll be there for the first feat. You know, they want me there for the birth and then for questions afterwards and things like that. So different people want different things from their doulas, you know, different expertise. Some are, you know, some are midwives, some who are also moonlighting as doulas. That is right. Yeah, that is so true. What do you think are some of the biggest challenges like parents face or I guess expectant parents face? Yeah, well, one of those is just
24:33 Speaker: finding out what the options are because like it's really hard to navigate i mean the hsc websites are getting a little bit better but like there is one um there is one for example there is a whole um site page dedicated to um home birth so finding out about home birth options is like accessible now within a way that it didn't used to be but um so but the gp might not mention that or might not mention different expertise that different doctors lead consultants in the hospital might have um so it just kind of it's hit or miss what information that is provided and then also like doulas like some sometimes people learn about doulas who are in like in at their antenatal appointments
25:16 Speaker: and other people just don't don't you know so like it's hit or miss so I'd say getting consistent information about options and then having continuity of care is a big challenge in our system so there you know again there's movement to make that more regular like in terms of but that's I suppose focusing on women who are on lower risk
25:46 Speaker: care pathways um so i think actually there's a big gap in the middle where it's like it's like lower risk women are are having the opportunity to work with a small team of midwives or one-to-one um and then higher risk are getting specialized care with a particular consultant and they get to know them um on both sides but then there's a whole group in the middle where
26:12 Speaker: uh that's that's not a feature um and some of the holistic care uh gets missed out on so and there's this massive strength like the power and strength of birthing people like it's just incredible and it's it's the thing that keeps me going like no I think those anti-natal classes as well help even if you can just get into one of those absolutely and and
26:37 Speaker: independent antenatal class if that's possible so um so the quid you antenatal classes that i run um and then there are there are some hypnobirthing classes out there there's just i haven't started offering the hypnobirthing classes but i weave in a few um aspects of it in in the ones that i'm offering but um but there but there are independent classes there are other doulas who are offering independent classes there are some midwives out there um but
27:04 Speaker: I would say do the hospital ones, but also do an independent class, yeah. Yeah, I think those are good. And it's an opportunity to meet other parents. Yeah, exactly. That's true. That is very true. And I think that's kind of like, again, another support as well. Huge, yeah. I think I'm still in one of the WhatsApp groups. Oh, cool. I'm still in there because, you know, it's always good to go back and look for information. Yeah, because things can get messy. You know, I mean, especially in early parenting.
27:38 Speaker: parenthood in general but it can get messy but that can be okay yeah do you know and when you're with other parents and moving through it and navigating it too, it dissipates that worrying concern of trying to get everything perfect because there's no such a thing. It really does. It really was a big help. Thank you so much, Tara, for sharing about the doula, just what you do and how to find a doula. I know this is still kind of like an expat kind of podcast, so I don't want to neglect that part. And I would like to still kind of ask you about
28:13 Speaker: you know, I guess your journey to Ireland and, you know, how has that kind of shaped what you do now? So I have been in Ireland for... um almost 20 years next year it'll be 20 years so I I guess I and I came with a one and a half year old like it wasn't the first time that I was in Ireland I met my now husband um before that and we moved to the states and then we moved back so it was kind of like a back and forth at the beginning um but I so so I was coming to Ireland as a parent already I had my first baby in New York City and I think it's definitely shaped what I do
28:54 Speaker: like having moving away from my family supports um it helped me to connect and I had to make my own village do you know in a way well or just connect into what was happening in the community in a way that maybe I wouldn't have if my friends and family were surrounding me already um so
29:18 Speaker: And you'll find that with some of the volunteer organizations like Quidu, that it's made up of a lot of people who aren't from wherever they're living, because they're reaching out and connecting in with their village. So I mean, I was lucky coming to Galway in that there is a transient community. There are a lot of people that are new to Galway City anyway. I was able to meet people in the, and I guess coming as a parent.
29:48 Speaker: had this feeling like it was that new beginnings feeling you know it's wonderful you know and you're right in it but um and it's it's like you could do anything and you could be anywhere like as you know a parent of a young child like when I was in in New York go to the playground and you know make new friends instantaneously you know because we were all there doing the same thing chasing the kids around the around the place and making sure um they were okay but also you know like so we were on on a shared journey i guess and then i felt like pick up and go anywhere um and luckily my job allowed that I was working in publishing and I was working freelance so I was able to take that work with me um and then um met other parents in Galway that were kind of doing the same thing but met them at say the groups like the parent and toddler group oh right um that was key um place for me and then that that led to meeting somebody who lived around the corner from me who was that person that would just you know
30:52 Speaker: come to the door, you know, knock on the door, but walk in and make herself a cup of tea. Like, you know, and I don't know, did I have that exactly when I was back home? I think I was more motivated to make those strong connections with people. And I have two sisters at home and I think I have.
31:13 Speaker: made a lot of sisters here do you know and uh you know uh I suppose and then getting into the work that I do um I found those connections I found those connections through the groups through the um breastfeeding groups through you know I found other parent connections just um even to find freedom for myself and what I wanted to do like some people feel like I guess going to groups and and I guess groups aren't for everybody but like sometimes people people find have told me that um they feel like
31:48 Speaker: I don't know, they're seeing a child doing something at a certain stage and their child isn't doing that thing or whatever. There are little stresses about coming together that can come up like that. But the other thing about groups that are well-held, that are well-facilitated, is that...
32:06 Speaker: there can be a whole breadth of experience, lots of people doing lots of different things. And that's all okay. Do you know, it's everybody navigates differently. And then when a group comes together in a nice way like that, then you can find the freedoms for yourself and find the way that you want to be a parent. You know, you can see so-and-so doing something over here and so-and-so doing something. I'm just like, okay, well, what do I want to do? You know, so I think being an expat allowed for more and more of that freedom.
32:35 Speaker: because I didn't have expectations for loads of people around me that knew me forever. I love that you actually said that because it actually, I was saying that I want to start going to those parent and toddler groups. And it was, I wasn't even thinking about myself. I was thinking more for Rian because I was like, you know, he has, you know, his little friends actually, you know, at the child minder and stuff. But it'd be nice to meet some other friends, you know, I'm sure, like you said.
33:02 Speaker: also their transients, different cultures as well, and kind of get, like, mixed in with the group like that as well because, you know, coming again from the States, we're just so culturally diverse, you know, and I think it's good to have that exposure, you know, at such a young age, you know? But even now, I mean, I'm like, now I need to go for myself also. Yeah, for sure. It's as much for the parents to share a cup of tea and just...
33:29 Speaker: Yeah, especially, again, being an expat and finding that community. And you're saying kind of like sisters, new sisterhood. Yeah. You know, and those are other avenues. I never really thought about it like that. But those are other avenues that you can use to kind of, you know, immerse yourself here. That's so inspiring. Yeah. Thank you for sharing that. I never really thought about that. Do you have any maybe advice or tips you'd want to leave? I say you could.
33:55 Speaker: probably just give on again that support about birth or again expat life anything you want to leave with that you feel would be worthy of sharing before you go or any last tidbit of advice i don't know i suppose if anybody's feeling stressed on their journey or you know whether over that transition might be um i suppose just to know that that stress can mask all of your strengths
34:24 Speaker: And that just to find to find somebody that you can talk to, who can listen non-judgmentally, who can offer active listening support. And that might be somebody that you're related to or it might be somebody that you reign in who you don't know otherwise, you know, who might be on a list of like, say, for example, the quid you.
34:48 Speaker: channels have parent supporters and breastfeeding counselors and they're there for it's like a whole list of numbers where you can ring um and just chat through things it might be that you're looking for options or anything like that but just anything or it might be meditation but just know I suppose that once that stress is diffused when you find that thing that will help to diffuse that stress that that you have a really really strong instinct um and
35:18 Speaker: I suppose. I guess that's the overall kind of based on what we've been talking about and everything that I would like to leave with. Oh, I really appreciate it. You are really like a light worker and I really appreciate what you do because it's definitely needed and you don't know like how important it is really for not only, like I said, the mother, but the partner. And I just thank you so much for being here and sharing today. Well, it's my privilege and it's just like, I mean, I get so much out of the work that I do. Like, I mean, I don't know. I don't really feel like it's work.
35:49 Speaker: Do you know? That's good. Yeah, you're definitely passionate about it. You can see that. I'm definitely going to share the links below. With everything you shared today, there's a lot of information so they can make sure to find you. Thank you so much, Tara. I really appreciate it. Thank you. And that's a wrap on this episode of The Galway Gal. I hope today's story sparked some inspiration, a few laughs, and maybe even a new perspective on what it means to call somewhere else home. If you love this episode, don't forget to subscribe. Leave a review and share it with a fellow traveler or dreamer. And hey, I'd love to hear from you. Got a question, a wild expat story, or just want to say hi? Connect with me on Instagram at The Galway Gal.
36:33 Speaker: Until next time, keep exploring, keep evolving and most importantly, stay true to yourself no matter where in the world you are.
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